Thursday, August 27, 2020

Mountain Path April 2006

 [07:44, 27/08/2020] +91 86869 03779: “We shall meditate on that which, 

existing in the form of Self, 

is the atma  tattva, 

is effulgent, 

and which residing in all living things always says ‘I’, ‘I’.


To seek for a God outside, leaving the God residing in the cave of the Heart, is

like throwing away a priceless gem and searching for a trivial bead.” 


🕉 Yoga  Vasishta

[07:45, 27/08/2020] +91 86869 03779: BHAGAVAN AND MANIKKAVACHAKAR


Tiruvachakam references in Bhagavan’s replies to devotees.


When Bhagavan replied to devotees’ questions, he sometimes illustrated the point he was trying to make by quoting extracts from the Tiruvachakam.


Mr B. C. Das, the physics lecturer, asked, ‘Contemplation is possible only with control of mind and control can be accomplished only by contemplation. Is it not a vicious circle?’


Bhagavan: Yes, they are interdependent. They must go on side by side. Practice and dispassion bring about the result gradually. 


Dispassion is practised to check the mind from being projected outward; 

practice is to keep it turned inward. 


There is a struggle between control and

contemplation. It is going on constantly within. Contemplation will in due course be successful.


Devotee: How to begin? Your grace is needed for it.


Bhagavan: Grace is always there. ‘Dispassion cannot be acquired, nor

realisation of the truth, nor inherence in the Self, in the absence of the Guru’s grace,’ 

the Master quoted.


Practice is necessary. It is like training a roguish bull confined to his stall by tempting him with luscious grass and preventing him from straying.


Then the Master read out a stanza from Tiruvachakam which is an address to the mind, saying, 

‘O humming bee [namely, mind]! 

Why do you take the pains of collecting tiny specks of honey from innumerable flowers? There is one from whom you can have the whole storehouse of honey by simply thinking or seeing or speaking of Him.

Get within and hum to Him [hrimkara].’


- Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi, Talk No.220.


The original verse.


Do not sip the nectar,

tiny as a millet seed

found in any flower,

but speed to that mystic dancer

and hum the praise of Him, King Bee,

He who, whenever we think of Him,

whenever we behold Him,

whenever we speak of Him,

perpetually pours forth the honeyed bliss

that melts all our bones to the core. 


- ‘Tirukkottumbi’, verse 3. 

Devaraja Mudaliar has also noted (My Recollections of Bhagavan Sri Ramana p. 52) that Bhagavan spoke very highly of the sentiments expressed in this verse.


Source: Mountain Path. April 2006.

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Wednesday, August 26, 2020

I am That , Chapter 2 Obsession with the body

 Maharaj: There is consciousness 

in which everything happens. It is quite obvious and within the experience of everybody. You just do not look carefully enough. Look ell, and see what I see.

Q: What do you see?

M: I see what you too could see,  here and now,  but for the wrong focus of your attention. You give no attention to your self. 

Your mind is all with things, people and ideas, never with your self.

Bring your self into focus,  become aware of your own existence. See how you function,  watch the motives and  the results of your actions. Study the prison you have built around yourself, by in-advertence. By knowing what you are not,  you come to know your self.   The way back to your self  is through refusal and rejection. 

One thing is certain:  the real is not imaginary,  it is not a product of the mind.  Even the sense ‘I am’ is not continuous, though it is a useful pointer;  it shows where to seek,  but not what to seek just have a good look at it. 

Once you are convinced that you cannot say truthfully about your self anything except ‘I am’, and that nothing that can be pointed at, can be your self, the need for the ‘I am’ is over — you are no longer intent on verbalizing what you are. All you need is to get rid of the tendency to define your self. 

All definitions apply to your body only and to its expressions. Once this obsession with the body goes, you will revert to your natural state, spontaneously and effortlessly. The only difference between us is that I am aware of my natural state, while you are bemused. 

Just like gold made into ornaments has no advantage over gold dust, except when the mind makes it so, so are we one in being — we differ only in appearance. 

We discover it by being earnest, by searching, enquiring, questioning daily and hourly, by giving one’s life to this discovery. 

- Excerpt from: I AM THAT Talks with Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj 

Chapter 2: OBSESSION WITH THE BODY

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Dr Syed . Talk 271

 Dr. Syed: How is Grace to be obtained?

M.: Similar to obtaining the Self.

D.: Practically, how is it to be for us?

M.: By self-surrender.

D.: Grace was said to be the Self. Should I then surrender to my own Self?

M.: Yes. To the one from whom Grace is sought. God, Guru and Self are only different forms of the same.

D.: Please explain, so that I may understand.

M.: So long as you think you are the individual you believe in God. On worshipping God, God appears to you as Guru. 

On serving Guru He manifests as the Self. This is the rationale.

- Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi. Talk 271.

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David Godman 3

 Q: I am not able to concentrate by myself. I am in search of a force to help me. 

 A: Yes, that is called grace. Individually we are incapable because the mind is weak. Grace is necessary. Sadhu seva [serving a sadhu] will bring it about. 

There is however nothing new to get. 

Just as a weak man comes under the control of a stronger one, the weak mind of a man comes under control easily in the presence of strong-minded sadhus. That which is is only grace; there is nothing else.

Q: Is it necessary to serve the Guru physically? 

A: The sastras say that one must serve a Guru for twelve years in order to attain Self-realization. 

What does the Guru do? 

Does he hand it over to the disciple? 

Is not the Self always realized? 

What does the common belief mean then? 

Man is always the Self and yet he does not know it. Instead he confounds it with the nonSelf, the body, etc. Such confusion is due to ignorance. If ignorance is wiped out the confusion will cease to exist and the true knowledge will be unfolded.

By remaining in contact with realized sages the man gradually loses the ignorance until its removal is complete. The eternal Self is thus revealed. 

Q: You say that association with the wise [sat-sanga] and service of them is required of the disciple. 

A: Yes, the first really means association with the unmanifest sat or absolute existence, but as very few can do that, they have to take second best which is association with the manifest sat, that is, the Guru. 

Association with sages should be made because thoughts are so persistent. 

The sage has already overcome the mind and remains in peace. Being in his proximity helps to bring about this condition in others, otherwise there is no meaning in seeking his company.

The Guru provides the needed strength for this, unseen by others. 

Service is primarily to abide in the Self, but it also includes making the Guru's body comfortable and looking after his place of abode. 

Contact with the Guru is also necessary, but this means spiritual contact. If the disciple finds the Guru internally, then it does not matter where he goes. 

Staying here or elsewhere must be understood to be the same and to have the same effect.

- Be as you are.  

The teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi edited by David Godman.

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Annamalai Swami's discourse 1

 Question: By constant sadhana, do you mean self-enquiry?

Annamalai Swami: Yes. By strength of practice, by doing this sadhana, this veil will be removed completely. There will be no further hindrances. You can go to the top of Arunachala, but if you are not alert, if you are not paying attention, you may slip and end up at Isanya Math [a Hindu institution at the base of the hill].

You have to make an enormous effort to realise the Self. It is very easy to stop on the way and fall back into ignorance. At any moment you can fall back. You have to make a strong determined effort to remain on the peak when you first reach it,  but eventually a time will come when you are fully established in the Self. When that happens, you cannot fall. You have reached your destination and no further efforts are required. Until that moment comes, constant sadhana is required.

Question: Is it important to have a Guru at this stage, this period when constant effort is required?

Annamalai Swami: Yes. The Guru guides you and tells you that what you have done is not enough. If you are filling a bucket with water, you can always add more if there is still space. But when it is completely full, full to overflowing, it is pointless to add even a single drop. You may think that you have done enough, and you may believe that your bucket is full, but the Guru is in a better position to see that there is still a space, and that more water needs to be added. 

Don’t rely on your own judgement in this matter. The state you have reached may seem to be complete and final, but if the Guru says, ‘You need more sadhana ,’ trust him and carry on with your efforts.


Bhagavan often used to say, ‘The physical Guru is outside, telling you what to do and pushing you into the Self. The inner Guru, the Self within, simultaneously pulls you towards itself.’

Once you have become established in the inner Guru, the Self, the distinction between Guru and disciple disappears. In that state you no longer need the help of any Guru. You are That, the Self.

Until the river reaches the ocean, it is obliged to keep on flowing, but when it arrives at the ocean, it becomes ocean and the flow stops. The water of the river originally came from the ocean. As it flows, it is merely making its way back to its source. 

When you meditate or do sadhana, you are flowing back to the source from which you came. After you have reached that source,  you discover that everything that exists - world, Guru, mind - is one. No differences or distinctions arise there.

Non-duality is jnana\ duality is samsara. If you can give up duality, Brahman alone remains, and you know yourself to be that Brahman, but to make this discovery continuous meditation is required. Don’t allocate periods of time for this. Don’t regard it as something that you do when you sit with your eyes closed. 

This meditation has to be continuous. Do it while you are eating, walking, and even talking. It has to be continued all the time.

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Thursday, August 13, 2020

Ramanan's dialogue with Dr Potatlal Lohara

 Talk 222 with Ramanan . His dialogue with Dr Popatlal Lohara . 

Dr. Popatlal Lohara, a visitor, has studied several books including “Upadesa Sara” and visited several saints, sadhus and yogis, probably 1,500 as he puts their number. A sadhu in Trimbak has told him that he has still debts to pay which, if done, will enable him to have realisation. His only debt, as he conceived it, was the marriage of his son. It has since been performed and he now feels himself free from karmic indebtedness. 

He therefore seeks Sri Bhagavan’s guidance for freedom from ‘mental unhappiness’ which persists in spite of his not being indebted.

M.: Which text of “Upadesa Sara” did you read?

D.: The Sanskrit text.

M.: It contains the answer to your question.

D.: My mind cannot be made steady by any amount of effort. I have been trying it since 1918.

The Master quoted from “Upadesa Sara”: 

 “Merging the mind into the Heart certainly comprises meritorious duty (karma), devotion (bhakti), yoga and supreme wisdom (jnana).” That is the whole truth in a nutshell.


D.: That does not satisfy my search for happiness. I am unable to keep my mind steady.


The Master quoted again from the same book: “Continuous search for what the mind is results in its disappearance. That is the straight path.”?


D.: How to search for the mind then?


M.: The mind is only a bundle of thoughts. The thoughts have their root in the ‘I-thought’. 

He quoted; 

“Whoever investigates the origin of the ‘I-thought’, for him the ego perishes. This is the true investigation.”

The true “I” is then found shining by itself.


D.: This ‘I-thought’ rises from me. But I do not know the Self.


M.: All these are only mental concepts. You are now identifying yourself with a wrong ‘I’, which is the ‘I-thought’. This ‘I-thought’ rises and sinks, whereas the true significance of ‘I’ is beyond both. 


There cannot be a break in your being. You, who slept, are also now awake. There was not unhappiness in your deep sleep. Whereas it exists now. 

What is it that has happened now so that this difference is experienced? 

There was no ‘I-thought’ in your sleep, whereas it is present now. The true ‘I’ is not apparent and the false ‘I’ is parading itself. This false ‘I’ is the obstacle to your right knowledge. Find out wherefrom this false ‘I’ arises. Then it will disappear. You will be only what you are - i.e., absolute Being.


D.: How to do it? I have not succeeded so far.


M.: Search for the source of the ‘I-thought’. That is all that one has to do. The universe exists on account of the ‘I-thought’. If that ends there is an end of misery also. The false ‘I’ will end only when its source is sought.


Dr. Lohara asked for the meaning of one stanza in “Upadesa Sara”.


M.: The one then in sleep is also now awake. There was happiness in sleep; but misery in wakefulness. There was no ‘I’- thought in sleep; but it is now, while awake. The state of happiness and of no ‘I-thought’ in sleep is without effort. The aim should be to bring about that state even now. That requires effort.


🕉 Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi.

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Be As you Are - 1

 Q: You sometimes say the Self is silence. Why is this? 

A: For those who live in Self as the beauty devoid of thought, there is nothing which should be thought of.That which should be adhered to is only the experience of silence, because in that supreme state nothing exists to be attained other than oneself.

Q: What is mouna [silence]? 

A: That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That which is, is mouna. 

How can mouna be explained in words? Sages say that the state in which the thought `I' [the ego] does not rise even in the least, alone is Self [swarupa] which is silence [mouna]. 

That silent Self alone is God; 

Self alone is the jiva [individual soul]. 

Self alone is this ancient world.

All other knowledge are only petty and trivial knowledge; 

the experience of silence alone is the real and perfect knowledge. 

Know that the many objective differences are not real but are mere superimpositions on Self, which is the form of true knowledge.

~ Be as you are. The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi edited by David Godman.

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Talk No 451 . Ramana Maharshi

 From: ~ Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi, Talk 451.

Q.:

How can the world

be an imagination or a thought?

Thought is a function of the mind.The mind is located in the brain.The brain is within the skull of a human being,who is only an infinitesimal part of the universe.

How then can the universe be contained in the cells of the brain?

M.:So long as the mind is considered to be an entity of the kind described,the doubt will persist. But what is mind? Let us consider.

The world is seen when the man wakes up from sleep.It comes after the ‘I-thought’. The head rises up.So the mind has become active.

What is the world?

It is objects spread out in space.

Who comprehends it?

The mind.

Is not the mind,which comprehends space,itself space (akasa)?

The space is physical ether (bhootakasa).

The mind is mental ether (manakasa)

which is contained in transcendental ether (chidakasa).

The mind is thus the ether principle, akasa tattva.

Being the principle of knowledge (jnana sattva),

it is identified with ether (akasa) by metaphysics.

Considering it to be ether (akasa), there will be no difficulty

in reconciling the apparent contradiction in the question.

Pure mind (suddha manas) is ether (akasa).The dynamic and dull (rajas and tamas) aspectsoperate as gross objects, etc.

Thus the whole universe is only mental.


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Be as you are. The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi edited by David Godman.

 Q: How can I attain Self- realization?

 A: Realization is nothing to be gained afresh; it is already there. 

All that is necessary is to get rid of the thought `I have not realized'. 

Stillness or peace is realization. 

There is no moment when the Self is not. So long as there is doubt or the feeling of non-realization, the attempt should be made to rid oneself of these thoughts. They are due to the identification of the Self with the not-Self. When the not-Self disappears, the Self alone remains. 

To make room, it is enough that objects be removed. Room is not brought in from elsewhere. 


Q: Since realization is not possible without vasana-kshaya [destruction of mental tendencies], how am I to realize that state in which the tendencies are effectively destroyed? 

A: You are in that state now  ! 


Q: Does it mean that by holding on to the Self, the vasanas [mental tendencies] should be destroyed as and when they emerge? 

 A: They will themselves be destroyed if you remain as you are. 

Q: How shall I reach the Self? 

A: There is no reaching the Self. If Self were to be reached, it would mean that the Self is not here and now and that it is yet to be obtained. What is got afresh will also be lost. So it will be impermanent. What is not permanent is not worth striving for. So I say the Self is not reached. 

You are the Self, you are already that. The fact is, you are ignorant of your blissful state. Ignorance supervenes and draws a veil over the pure Self which is bliss. 

Attempts are directed only to remove this veil of ignorance which is merely wrong knowledge. 

The wrong knowledge is the false identification of the Self with the body and the mind. This false identification must go, and then the Self alone remains

Therefore realization is for everyone; realization makes no difference between the aspirants. 

This very doubt, whether you can realize, and the notion `I-have-not-realized' are themselves the obstacles. Be free from these obstacles also.

~ Be as you are. The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi edited by David Godman.

Maharshi with monkeys

 ఒక రోజు సాయంత్రం,  చీకటి పడుతున్న సమయంలో మహర్షి బయట బల్ల మీద కూర్చుని ఉండగా,   దూరంగా ఉన్న మర్రిచెట్టు దగ్గర నుండి గట్టిగా కోతులు అరుపులు వినబడ్డాయి.    మహర్షి చప్పున ఆ చెట్టు దగ్గరకు వెళ్లారు.    ఒక భక్తుడు కూడా మహర్షితో పాటు వెళ్ళాడు. 

  ఆ చెట్టు కొమ్మ మీద సుమారు పాతిక కోతులు ;  వాటి మధ్యలో భుజాలపైన ఒక చిన్న కోతి పిల్లని పెట్టుకొని ఒక ముసలి కోతి ఉన్నాయి. 

  మహర్షి తిన్నగా ఆ ముసలి కోతి దగ్గిరకి వెళ్లారు.    అది ఏమేమో చెపుతోంది.    మహర్షి శ్రద్ధగా వింటూ జాలిగా మారిన వదనంతో కంటి వెంట కన్నీరు కారుస్తూ,   ఆర్తి నిండిన స్వరంతో    "తాతా! ఎంత కష్టం వచ్చింది నీకు.   ఈ వయసులో ఈ బిడ్డను నీవు పెంచాల్సి వచ్చింది.   జాగ్రత్తగా సాకు.   ఇది  నీకు  పుణ్యం"    అంటూ ఆ ముసలి కోతిని లాలించారు మహర్షి.

ప్రక్కనున్న భక్తునికి ఇవేమీ అర్థంకాక చూస్తున్నాడు. మహర్షి అతని వంకకు తిరిగి ఇలా సెలవిచ్చారు .....

"నీకు తెలిసిందా!   దీని వింత?   ఆ చిన్న కోతి పిల్లల తల్లి చచ్చిపోయింది.    కోతుల సంప్రదాయం ఏమిటంటే,   తల్లి లేని పిల్లను ఆ జట్టులోని పెద్ద కోతి పెంచాలి.   ఇది వాటి  కట్టుబాటు.    ఇప్పుడీ పిల్లను పెంచే భారం మన ముసలి కోతిపై పడింది".    ఆ కష్టం నాతో చెప్పుకోవడానికి వీరు పాపము యీ సంధ్య చీకట్లో వచ్చారు.

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Consciousness and the Absolute - Nisargadatta

 Questioner: When we are busy with our worldly jobs, what should we keep in mind?

Maharaj: Because the "I Am" principle is there, it is moving all over. To recognize it, you put on various uniforms in order to give it an identity, but that principle is already there, and because of that principle you are engaging in various activities. 

Unless you wear the uniform (the body) you will not be able to conduct any activities.

This knowledge is meant for the Isvara principle, which is presently caught up in the illusion that it is the body-mind. 

You have accepted the identity of the uniform and that identity becomes your ego.


Isvara is the manifest principle by which all activities are carried on. It has no form - the forms are given because of the five elemental play. Now, that principle gets completely lost in the uniform and is recognized by the uniform only. You have the fear of death because you fear losing your identity, the body.

Since the uniform is available to you, by all means use it, but understand that you are not the uniform.

Q: What does one do when the uniform gets troublesome?

M: Recede into your own Self, be one with your true Self.

This "I Amness" enjoys various experiences. It becomes a beggar or a King.Is this body eternal? 

The body has been changing all during your life, which identity is you?

Q: I identify myself with my body, I know that.

M: Who?

Q: I do.

M: Give me a photograph of the meaning of that word "I". You can't. That principle has no name or form or shape. My firm conclusion is that whatever is done through the uniform is perishable, it is not going to remain. Which uniform has any permanency? 

Once you know that you are not the form

or the name of that uniform, it is all over. 

Suppose you have hoarded some thousand-rupee notes and suddenly the government order comes that they are all invalidated.Once you discard this "I Amness" uniform, what remains is the Parabrahman. 

That which is eternally current is the Parabrahman.

Q: Will Maharaj help me discard my uniform?

M: What is the need? 

It is not eternal, it never was.

Q: We have not discarded ours, that is the problem.

M: Now, tell me, when the knowingness was not there, what experiences did you have? 

That little touch of "I Amness" and you felt the existence of yourself and the world.


Q: How to give up this knowingness?

M: Where is the need? 

If you accept that uniform as yourself, then the question of giving it up will be there. 

Give up your identity with the body, try to know yourself.

It is merely knowingness, you cannot perceive that state. You come here because you are ignorant, not because you are knowledgeable. This knowledge I give is only to remove ignorance.


~ Consciousness and  the Absolute

The final talks of Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

Edited by Jean Dunn

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I am unborn - Nisargadatta

 You go on pilgrimages so that good should happen to you as an individual. But you are not an individual, you are the manifest world.

That ‘you are’ means the entire world, whatever manifestation you enjoy is universal. 

This knowledge is for the few rare ones, but instead of that manifestation (‘you are’), you hang on to individuality. 

Whatever is observed in the manifest world is your own Self, The observer is ‘I am’, 

It is a receptacle of the five elements and three gunas. The entire universe is in activity because of the three gunas. The play of the entire world is based on the five elements and three gunas. But you cling to your body; the body is also a play of the five elements and three gunas. 

The whole universe is in full play, it is like urination. You are one drop if you consider yourself to be an individual. A drop of ocean is salty and the salty taste is the knowledge ‘I am’. Suppose that drop dries, the ocean does not care – a drop of ocean drying on the rock. 

Similarly in the five elemental play you are a drop, either survive or die, the elemental ocean is unconcerned. But how to understand this manifest nature? 

Be the taste, understand the taste. 

Millions of drops dry up but the ocean is unconcerned. Millions die but how the five elements are concerned? Because you limit yourself to the body, you suffer. 

The realized one can entertain no idea of good to himself, for him even if the entire world is destroyed, nothing happens. The realized one is, of course, no more a person.

~ I AM UNBORN

(Talks with Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj)

Excerpt from Chapter 6: Unborn Children

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Spiritual Instruction !

 4. Is the state of ‘being still’ a state involving effort or effortlessness?

It is not an effortless state of indolence. All mundane activities which are ordinarily called effort are performed with the aid of a portion of the mind and with frequent breaks. But the act of communion with the Self (atma vyavahara) or remaining still inwardly is intense activity which is performed with the entire mind and without break.

Maya (delusion or ignorance) which cannot be destroyed by any other act is completely destroyed by this intense activity which is called ‘silence’ (mauna).

5. What is the nature of maya?

Maya is that which makes us regard as nonexistent the Self, the Reality, 

which is always and everywhere present, all-pervasive and Self-luminous, and as existent the individual soul (jiva), the world (jagat), and God (para) which have been conclusively proved to be nonexistent at all times and places.

6. As the Self shines fully of its own accord why is it not generally recognised like the other objects of the world by all persons?

Wherever particular objects are known it is the Self which has known itself in the form of those objects. For what is known as knowledge or awareness is only the potency of the Self (atma shakti). 

The Self is the only sentient object. 

There is nothing apart from the Self. If there are such objects they are all insentient and therefore cannot either know themselves or mutually know one another. 

It is because the Self does not know its true nature in this manner that it seems to be immersed and struggling in the ocean of birth (and death) in the form of the individual soul.

~ Spiritual Instruction

CHAPTER II. PRACTICE. (Abhyasa)

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Mihael Langford anecdotee

 AWARENESS WATCHING AWARENESS

Immediately the author tried this practice. Awareness watching awareness while ignoring thought. The author shut his eyes, because the point was also to ignore the world. To turn the attention away from thought and towards awareness watching awareness. If the author noticed a thought, he ignored the thought and brought the attention back to awareness watching awareness. Awareness paying attention to awareness to the exclusion of all else. Awareness paying attention only to itself. 

The results were instant! From the very first moment one tries this practice, one is abiding as awareness! There is no waiting! It is so easy. 

One does not mean to imply that from the beginning the ego ends. It usually takes years of continuous practice before the ego meets its final end.

However, from the moment one tries this simple, easy to understand practice, one is abiding as awareness!

The author practiced the Awareness Watching Awareness Method for two years, from December 2001 of to January of 2004. There were more days with twelve hours of practice than there were days with two hours of practice.

In January of 2004 the author’s ego, sorrow and suffering came to its final end and what remained is:

Infinite-Eternal-Awareness-Love-Bliss. Thus the Awareness Watching Awareness Method once again lived up to its reputation as being the most rapid and direct means to eternal bliss here and now in this lifetime. 

Ramana Maharshi and Nisargadatta Maharaj had both specifically described the Awareness Watching Awareness Method, however, the author’s ego did not allow him to see it. The Awareness Watching Awareness Method was like a buried treasure, hidden amongst so many other quotes on so many different subjects.

- Michael Langford

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DESIRE AND FEAR: SELF-CENTRED STATES ( Extract from ' I am That )

 DESIRE AND FEAR: SELF-CENTRED STATES ( Extract from ' I am That ) 

Q: Do you advise shunning pleasure and pursuing pain?

M: No, nor pursuing pleasure and shunning pain. Accept both as they come, enjoy both while they last, et them go, as they must.

Q: How can I possibly enjoy pain? Physical pain calls for action.

M: Of course. And so does mental. The bliss is in the awareness of it, in not shrinking, or in any way turning away from it. 

All happiness comes from awareness. The more we are conscious, the deeper the joy. Acceptance of pain, non-resistance, 

courage and endurance — these open deep and perennial sources of real happiness, true bliss.

Q: Why should pain be more effective than pleasure?

M: Pleasure is readily accepted, while all the powers of the self reject pain. As the acceptance of pain is the denial of the self, and the self stands in the way of true happiness, the wholehearted acceptance of pain releases the springs of happiness.

Q: Does the acceptance of suffering act the same way?

M: The fact of pain is easily brought within the focus of awareness. With suffering it is not that simple. To focus suffering is not enough, for mental life, as we know it, is one continuous stream of suffering. To reach the deeper layers of suffering you must go to its roots and uncover their vast underground network, where fear and desire are closely interwoven and the currents of life’s energy oppose, obstruct and destroy each other.

Q: How can I set right a tangle which is entirely below the level of my consciousness?

M: By being with yourself, the ‘I am’; by watching yourself in your daily life with alert interest, with the intention to understand  rather than to judge, in full acceptance of whatever may emerge, because it is there, you encourage the deep to come to the surface and enrich your life and consciousness with its captive energies. This is the great work of awareness; it removes obstacles and releases energies by understanding the nature of life and mind. Intelligence is the door to freedom and alert attention is the mother of intelligence.

Q: One more question. Why does pleasure end in pain?

M: Everything has a beginning and an end and so does pleasure. Don’t anticipate and don’t regret, and there will be no pain. 

It is memory and imagination that cause suffering.

Of course pain after pleasure may be due to the misuse of the body or the mind. The body knows its measure, but the mind  does not. Its appetites are numberless and limitless. Watch your mind with great diligence; for there lies your bondage and also the key to freedom.

Q: My question is not yet fully answered: Why are man’s pleasures destructive? Why does he find so much pleasure in destruction? Life’s concern lies in protection, perpetration and expansion of itself. In this it is guided by pain and pleasure. At what point do they become destructive?

M: When the mind takes over, remembers and anticipates, it exaggerates, it distorts, it overlooks. The past is projected into  future and the future betrays the expectations. The organs of sensation and action are stimulated beyond capacity and they inevitably break down. The objects of pleasure cannot yield what is expected of them and get worn out, or destroyed, by  misuse. It results in excess of pain where pleasure was looked for.

Q: We destroy not only ourselves, but others too!

M: Naturally, selfishness is always destructive. Desire and fear, both are self-centered states. Between desire and fear anger arises, with anger hatred, with hatred passions for destruction. 

War is hatred in action, organized and equipped with all the instruments of death.

Q: Is there a way to end these horrors?

M: When more people come to know their real nature, their influence, however subtle, will prevail and the world’s emotional  atmosphere will sweeten up. People follow their leaders and when among the leaders appear some, great in heart and mind, and absolutely free from self-seeking, their impact will he enough to make the crudities and crimes of the present age impossible. A new golden age may come and last for a time and succumb to its own perfection. For, ebb begins when the tide is at its highest.

Q: Is there no such thing as permanent perfection?

M: Yes, there is, but it includes all imperfection. It is the perfection of our self-nature which makes everything possible, perceivable, interesting. It knows no suffering, for it neither likes nor dislikes; neither accepts nor rejects. Creation and destruction are the two poles between which it weaves its ever-changing pattern. Be free from predilections and preferences and the mind with its burden of sorrow will be no more.

Q: But I am not alone to suffer. There are others.

M: When you go to them with your desires and fears, you merely add to their sorrows. First be free of suffering yourself and then only hope of helping others. You do not even need to hope — your very existence will be the greatest help a man can  give his fellowmen.


🕉 Extract from: I AM THAT. 

Talks with Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj.

Talk 195 With Ramana Marshi

 Talk 195. 

Mr. Jharka, a gentleman from the University of Benares, holding the M.A. and the M.Sc. degrees, said that he was stricken with grief due to bereavement of wife and children. He sought peace of mind and asked how to get it.

M.: It is in the mind that birth and death, pleasure and pain, in short the world and ego exist. If the mind is destroyed all these are destroyed too. 

Note that it should be annihilated, not just made latent. For the mind is dormant in sleep. It does not know anything. Still, on  waking up, you are as you were before. 

There is no end of grief. 

But if the mind be destroyed the grief will have no background and will disappear along with the mind.

D.: How to destroy the mind?

M.: Seek the mind. On being sought, it will disappear.

D.: I do not understand.

M.: The mind is only a bundle of thoughts. The thoughts arise because there is the thinker. The thinker is the ego. The ego, if sought, will vanish automatically. The ego and the mind are the same. The ego is the root-thought from which all other thoughts arise.

D.: How to seek the mind?

M.: Dive within. You are now aware that the mind rises up from within. 

So sink within and seek.

D.: I do not yet understand how it is to be done.

M.: You are practising breath-control. Mechanical breath-control will not lead one to the goal. It is only an aid. While doing it mechanically take care to be alert in mind and remember the ‘I’ thought and seek its  source. Then you will find that where breath sinks, there ‘I-thought’ arises. They sink and rise together. The ‘I-thought’ also will sink  along with breath. Simultaneously, another luminous and infinite ‘I-I’ will become manifest, which will be continuous and unbroken. 

That is the goal. It goes by different names - God, Self, Kundalini Sakti, Consciousness, Yoga, Bhakti, Jnana, etc.

D.: Not clear yet.

M.: When the attempt is made, it will of itself take you to the goal.

- Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi.

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Talk 196 With Ramana Maharshi

 Talk 196.

A visitor asked about the three methods mentioned in Ramana Gita

- Chapter II.

Maharshi pointed out that breath-retention is an aid to control of mind, 

i.e., suppression or annihilation of thoughts. One person may practise breath-control, inhalation, exhalation and retention or retention only. 

Still another type of practising meditator, on controlling the mind, controls the breath and its retention automatically results. Watching the inhalation and exhalation is also breath-control. These methods are only apparently three-fold. They are in fact really one, because they lead to the same goal. They are however differently adopted according to the stage of the aspirant and his antecedent predisposition or tendencies. 

Really there are only two methods: enquiry and devotion. One leads to the other.

D.: Seeking the ‘I’ there is nothing to be seen.

M.: Because you are accustomed to identify yourself with the body and sight with the eyes, therefore, you say you do not see anything. 

What is there to be seen? 

Who is to see? 

How to see? 

There is only one consciousness which, manifesting as ‘I-thought’, identifies itself with the body, projects itself through the eyes and sees the objects around. 

The individual is limited in the waking state and expects to see something different. The evidence of his senses will be the seal of authority. But he will not admit that the seer, the seen and the sight are all manifestations of the same consciousness - namely, ‘I-I’. 

Contemplation helps one to overcome the illusion that the Self must be visual. 

In truth, there is nothing visual. 

How do you feel the ‘I’ now? 

Do you hold a mirror before you to know your own being? 

The awareness is the ‘I’. 

Realise it and that is the truth.

D.: On enquiry into the origin of thoughts there is a perception of ‘I’. 

But it does not satisfy me.

M.: Quite right. The perception of ‘I’ is associated with a form, maybe the body. 

There should be nothing associated with the pure Self. 

The Self is the unassociated, pure Reality, in whose light, the body, the ego, etc. shine. 

On stilling all thoughts the pure consciousness remains over.

Just on waking from sleep and before becoming aware of the world there is that pure ‘I-I’. Hold to it without sleeping or without allowing thoughts to possess you. If that is held firm it does not matter even though the world is seen. The seer remains unaffected by the phenomena.

🕉Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi.

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I am unborn - talks with Nisargadatta

 37. Transcend the ‘I am’

21st January 1980 


Visitor: Who says ‘I am the consciousnesses’? And is it the ‘I am 

consciousness’ that traces the question to memories? 


Maharaj: Don’t just disown the body and name as you are, but see that you focus your attention on the ‘I am’ and all the questions will be answered. 


V: What prevents us from receiving grace? 


M: The quality of your faith should be intense, firm and lasting.


V: Is the desire to be free also that of the body-mind? 


M: No, it is not in a bodily sense. As you get identified with the ‘I am’, devoid of the body, you have only to abide in the Self


V: Is that also desire? 


M: No, It is a very strong conviction that you are not the body mind.


V: Krishnamurti said that desire breeds disorder. This daily life, hard work and study can it be a hindrance in Self-knowledge? 


M: Who is asking this? 


V: I am.


M: Catch hold of that ‘I am’ only and all obstacles will evaporate. If you correctly understand me, you will be beyond the realm of body-mind. Many a times it happens that teachings are misunderstood. Because the ‘I am’ is there, these questions arise, If the ‘I am’ is not there, no questions can arise. 

In the realm of ‘I am’ anything is possible, but if I were alert enough, do you think I would have been in this body?

The Jnani is the one who knows that beingness, the world and Brahman are unreal. Having understood the ‘I am’, I transcend it and came to the conclusion that all the three entities are unreal, and then what more remains to be liquidated? The ‘Parabrahaman’ is without attributes and I am ‘Parabrahaman’, I am not the beingness, the world nor Brahman.


🕉I AM UNBORN

(Talks with Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj)

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Wednesday, August 05, 2020

Somerset Maugham and Ramana Maharshi

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1940's Vedantic Novel Still a Hit
A meeting with Ramana Maharshi inspired Somerset Maugham's classic "The Razor's Edge"
By Mark Hawthorne, California

When he arrived in India in 1938, British author W. Somerset Maugham was hoping to find some inspiration for a novel he planned to write incorporating Hindu philosophy. After visiting many cities and meeting many holy men--he arrived in Chennai, where he learned of, as he would later describe, "a swami who was the most celebrated and the most revered then in India. They called him the Maharshi." Maugham jumped at the chance to meet him. Armed with an insatiable curiosity and a customary fruit basket, he arrived in Tiruvannamalai at the ashram of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi--on whom the author would later model the fictional guru of his book, The Razor's Edge.

Though Maugham did not learn of him until he was in India, Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi had already gained widespread renown in the West through Paul Brunton's 1934 book, A Search in Secret India. When Brunton, a London journalist, visited Tiruvannamalai, he asked the Maharshi if the search for enlightenment is mere delusion. The sage's response--"First know the 'I' and then you shall know the truth"--must have seemed as foreign to Western readers in the 1930s as India itself. But the Maharshi's teachings struck a deep chord with many non-Hindus, and each news story elevated his reputation for wisdom. The May 30, 1949, issue of Life magazine devoted a feature story to him with the headline, "Holy Man: Sri Ramana Maharshi has India's answer to most of man's problems." Life's journalist, Winthrop Sargeant, wrote: "Sri Ramana's views are extremely orthodox. His life of austerity, his renunciation of all worldly desires, his contemplative serenity, his unshakable peace of mind are all part of the traditional equipment of the Hindu sage."

Just before Maugham was to meet the Maharshi, he fainted in the Indian heat outside the ashram. He described the events in his 1958 essay "The Saint:" "I was carried into a hut and laid on a pallet bed. I do not know how long I remained unconscious, but presently I recovered. I felt, however, too ill to move. The Maharshi was told what had happened, and that I was not well enough to come into the hall in which he ordinarily sat, so, after some time, followed by two or three disciples, he came into the hut into which I had been taken."

Sri Ramana greeted Maugham and sat near his bed. "After the first few minutes," writes Maugham, "during which his eyes with a gentle benignity rested on my face, he ceased to look at me, but, with a sidelong stare of peculiar fixity, gazed, as it were. He remained thus, motionless, for perhaps a quarter of an hour; and they told me later that he was concentrating in meditation upon me. Then he came to, if I may so put it, and again looked at me. He asked me if I wished to say anything to him, or to ask any question. I was feeling weak and ill and said so; whereupon he smiled and said, 'Silence is also conversation.'"

Later in the novel, Maugham will describe his fictional version of Maharshi as "neither thin nor fat, palish brown in color and clean-shaven, with close-cropped white hair. He never wore anything but a loincloth, and yet he managed to look as trim and neat and well dressed as a young man in one of Brooks Brothers' advertisements."

Though ill, Maugham could not have been more pleased by this experience. The author had an abiding interest in the religious traditions of the East, and his writing is filled with spiritual themes and philosophical observations. Since much of his reason for being in India was to collect information on Hinduism, his visit with the Maharshi must have seemed too good to be true.

William Somerset Maugham was born in the British Embassy in Paris in 1874, and educated in England and Germany. After medical school, a successful attempt at writing led him to exchange a career in medicine for the world of letters and ultimately widespread fame for his plays, novels and short stories. His autobiographical novel Of Human Bondage (1915) is perhaps his best-known work. With success came money--especially from his popular plays--and the opportunity to travel, which Maugham did widely. He was especially fond of Asia, where he found inspiration for many of his tales. Maugham wrote The Razor's Edge during the Second World War as a wave of interest in spiritual matters was spreading across the West. Books and movies reflected this interest, but Maugham's approach to The Razor's Edge differed by examining Indian religious systems, which (as in books by Vedanta disciples Aldous Huxley and Gerald Heard) were becoming more popular in America and Europe. Maugham derived his title from a passage in the Katha-Upanishad: "Like the sharp edge of a razor, the sages say, is the path. Narrow it is, and difficult to tread."

The novel's protagonist is Larry Darrell, a young American who returns from the horrors of the First World War deeply troubled. He rejects the trappings of material life and travels the world seeking answers. "I want to know whether God is or God is not," he says. "I want to find out why evil exists. I want to know whether I have an immortal soul or whether when I die, it's the end." He eventually finds peace, and answers, with a guru in a South India ashram and converts to Vedanta. Larry's guru, Shri Ganesha, is clearly Sri Ramana--Larry reports that "Shri Ganesha used to say that silence is also conversation." When we see Larry for the last time, he is on his way back to the United States to live a life of "calmness, forbearance, compassion, selflessness and continence." Having given up his inheritance, he will settle in New York, he says, for its libraries, and drive a taxi. He declares that he has "never been happier or felt more independent in my life."

The Razor's Edge was an instant hit, selling more than half a million copies in the first month. Servicemen in the Second World War were especially attracted to the novel's themes of soul-searching and nonattachment. Countless readers, particularly disaffected young Americans, identified with Larry's spiritual odyssey, and it became for many their introduction to such Hindu concepts as karma and reincarnation. It is no coincidence that Somerset Maugham narrates the story in the first person singular, with the author appearing as himself as a character in the plot. Maugham had long been a student of philosophy, and while not a follower of religion, he felt a deep respect for Buddhism and Hinduism. According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, "Maugham explains his philosophy of life as a resigned atheism and a certain skepticism about the extent of man's innate goodness and intelligence."

Maugham's acquaintance, Christopher Isherwood, praised the book's religious tone--and was often regarded as Larry Darrell's real-life role model. Isherwood, a highly respected author, collaborated with Swami Prabhavananda of the Vedanta Society in the 1950s to produce some of the best-ever translations of the Upanishads and Bhagavad Gita. Prominent saints from India embraced the story of one man's search for God. In a copy of Autobiography of a Yogi given to Maugham, Paramahansa Yogananda inscribed: "To Somerset Maugham, author of The Razor's Edge, which has done so much good in the world by spreading the seed of India's teachings."

Maugham's novel, still in print, has been adapted for two motion pictures, one in 1946 starring Tyronne Powers and one in 1984 starring Bill Murray. The book remains an inspiration, as a glance at recent readers' comments on the Amazon.com web site reveals. One reader wrote, "This is my favorite book ever. Although I am a teenager, I still can relate to the idealism and realism in this book." Another said, "If you are a person in search of some meaning to life, one only has to pick up this well-written novel and journey alongside Larry."

Hindus unfamiliar with the book may be startled by Maugham's clear grasp and explanations of Hindu philosophy. The following excerpts are statements of Larry to Maugham, unless otherwise noted.

Hindu Philosophy
"Advaita doesn't ask you to take anything on trust; it asks only that you should have a passionate craving to know Reality; it states that you can experience God as surely as you can experience joy or pain. And there are men in India today--hundreds of them for all I know--who have the certitude that they have done so. I found something wonderfully satisfying in the notion that you can attain Reality by knowledge. In later ages the sages of India, in recognition of human infirmity, admitted that salvation may be won by way of love and the way of works, but they never denied that the noblest way, though the hardest, is the way of knowledge, for its instrument is the most precious faculty of man, his reason."

On Reincarnation
"Can there be anything more stupendous than the conception that the universe has no beginning and no end, but passes everlastingly from growth to equilibrium to decline, from decline to dissolution, from dissolution to growth, and so on to all eternity?"

[Maugham to Larry] "And what do the Hindus think is the object of this endless recurrence?"

[Larry] "I think they'd say that such is the nature of the Absolute. You see, they believe that the purpose of creation is to serve as a stage for the punishment or reward of the deeds of the soul's earlier existences."

[Maugham to Larry] "Which presupposes belief in the transmigration of souls."

[Larry] "It's a belief held by two thirds of the human race."

[Maugham to Larry] "The fact that a great many people believe something is no guarantee of its truth."

[Larry] "No, but at least it makes it worthy of consideration. Christianity absorbed so much of Neo-Platonism, it might very easily have absorbed that, too, and in point of fact there was an early Christian sect that believed in it, but it was declared heretical. Except for that, Christians would believe in it as confidently as they believe in the resurrection of Christ."

Karma
"Has it occurred to you that transmigration is at once an explanation and a justification of the evil of the world? If the evils we suffer are the result of sins committed in our past lives, we can bear them with resignation and hope that if in this one we strive towards virtue our future lives will be less afflicted. But it's easy enough to bear our own evils; all we need for that is a little manliness; what's intolerable is the evil, often so unmerited in appearance, that befalls others. If you can persuade yourself that it is the inevitable result of the past, you may pity, you may do what you can to alleviate--and you should--but you have no cause to be indignant."

The Absolute
"According to the Vedantists, the Self, which they call the Atman and we call the soul, is distinct from the body and its senses, distinct from the mind and its intelligence; it is not part of the Absolute, for the Absolute, being infinite, can have no parts but the Absolute itself. It is uncreated; it has existed from eternity and when at last it has cast off the seven veils of ignorance will return to the infinitude from which it came. It is like a drop of water that has arisen from the sea and in a shower has fallen into a puddle, then drifts into a brook, finds it's way into a stream, after that into a river, passing through mountain gorges and wide plains, winding this way and that, obstructed by rocks and fallen trees, till at last it reaches the boundless sea from which it rose."

Meeting "Shri Ganesha" [Ramana Maharshi]
"When I got down to Travancore I found I needn't have asked for information about Shri Ganesha. Everyone knew of him. For many years he'd lived in a cave in the hills, but finally he'd been persuaded to move down to the plain where some charitable person had given him a plot of land and had built a little adobe house for him. . . . I found a young man at the entrance of the compound and asked if I could see the Yogi. I'd brought with me the basket of fruit which is the customary gift to offer. In a few minutes the young man came back and led me into a long hall with windows all around it. In one corner Shri Ganesha sat in the attitude of meditation on a raised dais covered with a tiger skin. 'I've been expecting you,' he said....Before he'd said another word I knew this was the man I'd been seeking.... 'What have you come here for?' he asked. I began to tell him how I'd come to India and how I'd passed my time for three years; how, on report of their wisdom and sanctity, I'd gone to one holy man after another and had found no one to give me what I looked for. He interrupted me. 'All that I know. There is no need to tell me. What have you come for?' 'So that you may be my Guru,' I answered. 'Brahman alone is the Guru,' he said.

"He continued to look at me with a strange intensity, and then suddenly his body became rigid, his eyes seemed to turn inwards, and I saw that he'd fallen into a trance, which the Indians call samadhi and in which, they hold, the duality of subject and object vanishes and you become Knowledge Absolute. I was sitting cross-legged on the floor, in front of him, and my heart beat violently.

"After how long a time I don't know he sighed and I realized that he had recovered normal consciousness. He gave me a glance sweet with loving kindness. 'Stay,' he said. 'They will show you where you may sleep.' "

On Yogis
[Maugham to Larry] "Is it true that the yogis acquire powers that would seem to us supernatural?"

[Larry] "I wouldn't know. All I can tell you is that it's commonly believed in India. But the wisest don't attach any importance to powers of that sort; they think they're apt to hinder spiritual progress. I remember one of them telling me of a yogi who came to the bank of a river; he hadn't the money to pay the ferryman to take him across and the ferryman refused to take him for nothing, so he stepped on the water and walked upon its surface to the other side. The yogi who told me shrugged his shoulders scornfully. 'A miracle like that,' he said 'is worth no more than the penny it would have cost to go on the ferryboat.'"

Maya
"It's a mistake to think that the Indians look upon the world as an illusion; they don't; all they claim is that it's not real in the same sense as the Absolute. Maya is only a speculation devised by those ardent thinkers to explain how the Infinite could produce the finite. Shankara, the wisest of them all, decided that it was an insoluble mystery. You see, the difficulty is to explain why Brahman--which is Being, Bliss, and Intelligence, which is unalterable, which ever is and forever maintains itself in rest, which lacks nothing and needs nothing and so knows neither change nor strife, which is perfect--should create the world. Well, if you ask that question, the answer you're generally given is that the Absolute created the world in sport without reference to any purpose. But when you think of flood and famine, or earthquake and hurricane and all the ills that flesh is heir to, your moral sense is outraged at the idea that so much that is shocking can have been created in play. Shri Ganesha had too much kindliness of heart to believe that; he looked upon the world as an expression of the Absolute and as the overflow of its perfection. He taught that God cannot help creating, and that the world is the manifestation of his nature. When I asked how, if the world was a manifestation of the nature of a perfect being, it should be so hateful that the only reasonable aim man can set before him is to liberate himself from its bondage, Shri Ganesha answered that the satisfactions of the world are transitory and that only the Infinite gives enduring happiness. But endless duration makes good no better, nor white any whiter. If the rose at noon has lost the beauty it had at dawn, the beauty it had then was real. Nothing in the world is permanent, and we're foolish when we ask anything to last, but surely we're still foolish not to delight in it while we have it. If change is the essence of existence one would have thought it only sensible to make it the premise of our philosophy. We can none of us step into the same river twice, but the river flows on and the other river we step into is cool and refreshing too.

Mark Hawthorne is a freelance writer specializing in Asian philosophical and religious traditions. 

markh@hirschelectronics.com

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Maharshi's sense of equality - Ramana Periya PuraaNam

Chaganlal Yogi narrated two beautiful incidents on Bhagavan‟s sense of equality. Chaganlal Yogi affirmed that he had met many sages across India, and Bhagavan‟s sense of equality and sharing things equally was unmatched.

He narrated how one day when he was seated in the hall, Bhagavan received a big parcel from far away Punjab. It contained chyavanaprash lehiyam, an ayurvedic health tonic. The devotee, who had sent it, had requested that Bhagavan should eat a little bit every day for two months, as it would improve his health. Bhagavan simply smiled. 

The next morning at breakfast, there was a little portion of that tonic on each one‟s leaf plate. The entire portion was equally shared and finished in one day! An anxious devotee asked, “Bhagavan! It was meant to be taken by you every day, for two months. You have exhausted the whole thing in a single day.” Bhagavan gave a benign smile and said, “Yes. Do you think Bhagavan has just this one mouth? All these mouths are Bhagavan‟s only.” Bhagavan did not transgress the wish of the devotee who had sent the tonic. Bhagavan had eaten the whole thing - but through the mouths of everyone there! 

Seeing Bhagavan's poor health, a devotee made Indian bread with a lot of ghee and brought it along with a cup full of milk and another cup full of orange juice. He took all these to Bhagavan in the hall and said, 
“Bhagavan! You should take this for your health.” Bhagavan did not even look at it. Bhagavan never liked any special treatment extended to him. 

Not understanding this, one of the ladies in the hall pleaded, “Bhagavan! Just because we requested you to sit on the sofa, did you not oblige us by sitting on it? Like that, why don‟t you take this too? This is only for your health.”

Bhagavan said, “Yes. What you say is true.” To everyone‟s shock, he then got down from the sofa and sat on the floor. 
They all begged, “Bhagavan, Bhagavan, please sit on the sofa.” The poor lady who had tried to persuade Bhagavan, entreated him with profuse tears in her eyes, “I am sorry Bhagavan. I did not mean this to happen.” With a glorious smile on his face, Bhagavan replied, “Why are you sorry?You have told me the right thing to do.” He refused to get up from the floor. Fortunately, an attendant with long years of service took the bold step of lifting Bhagavan and putting him back on the sofa. Bhagavan did not resist being lifted up. He also didn‟t insist on sitting on the floor. 

Chaganlal Yogi also told me that once an American came with a single slab of chocolate and gave it to Bhagavan. There were thirty six people in the hall at that time. Bhagavan said, “Cut it into thirty six pieces.” 
After the tiny pieces were equally distributed, Bhagavan took the last piece. “Bhagavan was that brutally firm about sharing things equally!” 
said Chaganlal Yogi.

🕉 RAMANA PERIYA PURANAM 
(Inner Journey of 75 Old Devotees) 
Compiled by Sri V. Ganesan.
Extract from:Chaganlal V. Yogi ................311

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Tuesday, August 04, 2020

how much is enough ?

IT IS ENOUGH THAT ONE KNOWS THE SELF

Ganapati Muni asked: My own opinion is that a man can live on Rs. 3 a month. What is Sri Bhargava’s opinion in the matter?
M.: A man can live happily only if he knows that he requires nothing wherewith to live.

Maj. Chadwick asked Sri Bhargava one night: The world is said to become manifest after the mind becomes manifest. There is no mind when I sleep. Is the world not existent to others at that time? Does it not show that the world is the product of a universal mind? How then shall we say that the world is not material but only dream-like?
M.: The world does not tell you that it is of the individual mind or of the universal mind. 
It is only the individual mind that sees the world. When this mind disappears the world also disappears.
There was a man who saw in his dream his father who had died thirty years earlier. Furthermore, he dreamt that he had four more brothers and that his father divided his property among them. A quarrel ensued, the brothers assaulted the man and he woke up in a fright. Then he remembered that he was all alone, he had no brothers and the father was dead long ago. His fright gave place to contentment. So you see - when we see our Self there is no world, and when we lose sight of the Self we get ourselves bound in the world.

The Asramites once asked Sri Bhargava, “How were we all in our previous births? Why do we not know our own past?”
M.: God in His mercy has withheld this knowledge from people. If they knew that they were virtuous, they will grow proud; contrariwise they will be depressed. Both are bad. It is enough that one knows the Self.

Talk 553 ,555, 556 -Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi

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Deep sleep

Talk 207.

Deep sleep is only the state of non-duality. 

Can the difference between the individual and Universal souls persist there? 

Sleep implies forgetfulness of all differences: This alone constitutes happiness. 

See how carefully people prepare their beds to gain that happiness. 

Soft cushions, pillows and all the rest are meant to induce sound sleep, that is to say to end wakefulness. 

And yet the soft bed, etc., are of no 
use in the state of deep sleep itself. 

The implication is that all efforts are meant only to end ignorance. They have no use after realisation.

🕉 Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi

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